Anyway, Im pretty much resigned to the fact that giving unsolicited advice is a social faux pas, so am trying to focus on other gifts that others might offer me instead. I dont understand it. Such a waste, from my perspective. If you're arranging a larger gathering you can naturally also use a mix of these methods. You'll not only get invited to that person's house, but you may fill up all the rest of your free time with other people. How about you suggest the idea to him in a way that will make it impossible for him to say no. VIOLA PARADISE. Im personally a massive introvert and dont really like house guests much at all, but I always thought it was on me to deal with that, not to expect other people not to do things like ask to come over and so I thought the LWs friend was being a bit harsh in reprimanding her rather than just stating her personal boundaries. You know this, Im sure, but do not invite yourself to the baby shower. Oh, agreed! Im just better at saying No, this isnt a good time, Ill catch you online later, bye now! My own perspective is that if a person just shows up at my house, not only am I going to pretend I am not at home, but I will also be demoting them several degrees in our relationship. As- old-fashioned as this may seem, homemade meals can be hearty, tasty, comforting and easy to prepare. I probably will teach him to invite friends over the phone eventually, but my guess is that it will be one or two years before he is ready to start it. At what point is it OK to ask T over for another playdate? Not saying its bad if you are closer friends with Chip compared to Dale, but Id say one of the key points of friendship is showing your friends that you like them and want to spend time with them. If you enter an already-going conversation specifically about a wedding I dont think you can claim that the topic is there to taunt you about what youre missing out on. It may very well be that this particular incident wasnt a huge issue in itself, but your friend doesnt want to let a pattern develop that will be painful to break out of. (7 Key Reasons). But she didnt like me much, and I didnt care much, so whatever. I was raised that its unforgivably rude to show up to any gathering, no matter how casual, without an explicit Would you like to go to X event? But then as I grew up and encountered casual, after-work, anyone-who-wants-to-come-can-come events, I was finally told that I was isolating myself by expecting an explicit invitation because thats not how it works.. It helps if you accidentally miss out on something or are late, because people are pretty forgiving of schedule changes and mishaps, but it makes scheduling things with folks whose social expectations are different a little fraught. I politely umed and how niced all the while thinking to myself, you realize that you are telling how much fun the party you didnt invite me to was, right? If it werent for the fact that shes very understanding about how introverted I am it would bug the hell out of me, and if we werent close friends if probably be mysteriously perma-busy after a few occasions of this (after trying Use Your Words, depending on how much I cared about the friendship.) Mezzanines description is honest; its just setting an agreed-upon check-in point in advanceyou need to check in and see if I want you to leave after X time, at which point I will let you know how I feel. Those are really helpful sometimes, especially if a person doesnt always realize theyre starting to feel run down unless the topic comes up. Or a sitting room. Its what it says on the tin! (For values of we meaning the people of my generation that I know. I asked her something along the lines of oh gods, what have you been thinking of me these last months, with all the details and no invite? Sometimes Id be forced to stand there screaming and pleading with them to stop, which usually resulted in a beating for being so ungrateful. In the other case making plans was nearly impossible and incredibly inconvenient, so dropping by felt like a nice surprise. Also, that not getting an invite isnt actually a reflection of your friendship with someone nor is it proof that youre a horrible bad person that no one will ever love. Speaking for myself, personally, a same day text or phone call that says Im going to be in your area, are you free to hang out later for a bit? from a friend is more than fine but an unannounced and unexpected knock on my door, like, Hi, Im already here here to hang out with you! is pretty strange. If a bunch of friends are seeing some kind of movie or concert, where it doesn't really matter how many people come along or not, and the attitude is often "the more the merrier", it's probably okay to ask if you can join. For every person of their youth who joyfully offered hospitality to all comers at any time, there were plenty who turned off the lights and made sure they stayed out of view of the windows so as not to be put on the spot by unannounced visitors. I just didnt realize that when someone starts coming down on you hard for doing something as innocuous as dropping by at the wrong time, the problem isnt with the etiquette rule; its with the relationship.. Moose Hut! What my friend did that bothered us was: I do that whole are we still on? thing probably anytime I have plans that were made more than a couple days in advance and dont involve tickets purchased in advance. There are exceptions, lots of them. She almost immediately told me something along the lines of, "Great, when should we meet up at your house to play?" I once got taken by surprise by my cousin at her birthday party asking why my boyfriend hadnt come. as possible. Some people would probably consider this secretive and dishonest, but tbh Im not sure she would. This particular aspect of socialising is difficult for everyone so I hope LW doesnt get down on themselves about it. People might suffer my presence, but a lot of invites were basically to everyone in the group but me and maybe one or two other fringe members. Or if theyre not ok with it, Ill bring a book (well I bring one anyway) and sit in my car and read until its suppose to start (because suppose to and actual are different times and that seriously bothers me). Some will even have the gall to ask if they can bring groups of their friends mind you, these are people Ive never met before in my life so that I can fucking host a group of strangers on my vacation! Some of our relatives assume that discussing plans for New Years (just as an example) means that *everyone* will be going, including people whose mothers just died and need time to grieve alone. I grew up thinking Im socially odd and terrible at body language, but it turns out Im just odd. Funny on TV (for certain values of funny), but not so much in real life. Ive always been under the impression that you dont disturb someone at work. Its not Im coming to see you, its Im coming past you, and thought it would be nice to see you. That suggestion is for adults who dont know each other all that well, not close friends like your son and T., and not children. About three weeks out, I did a last run through the response list, and figured out that one friend who I had been discussing the wedding with had never responded. I mean, if people need to identify and express that cleaning/not-cleaning comes with a sense of shame, go for it! Ohhhhhhh yeah. one of the best things about the living room couch in my current house is that I can skulk in the corner and pretend I am not at home if I dont feel like answering the door, and I am literally impossible to see from outside the house. It takes a certain level of presumption about how close your friendship is to ask someone else to host you, so if youre not 99.9% sure that person would like you to invite yourself over, avoid inviting yourself over. Can you go to the toilet without panicking? If the person enthusiastically responds, like, THANK YOU, I WAS HOPING SOMEONE WOULD SAY THAT, COME BY AT 11? then you are invited. 10 minutes? noticing the feeling You go on a date and really enjoy it, you guys hang out, drink and have a good time. But Im also very careful to err on the side of caution with their boundaries, because I know they wont tell me if I violate them; theyll just be angry and pretend not to be. I can still say no of course, but it becomes rather rocky when it shouldnt have to. It seemed like most people of my parents generation that I knew had a living room for visits, and a den for family.). Im not sure if its germane to this issue, but I considered her until about a year ago my best friend. I completely plan to be where we said, when we said! Especially the part about how Society doesnt have a script for ending friendships. I mean, if someone said I was driving by but didnt want to drop by in case it was rude (or even if you said I saw you driving by, why didnt you say hello? and they said that was the reason) then you could reassure them that youd be happy for them to come by any time. I think one of the key pieces there, too, is that there was a clearly-defined room for doing the visiting in, which was otherwise generally not lived in. I actually wanted to start dinner like an hour ago. uhm. Sometimes she was angry, and Id apologize. I have a Master of Social Work (MSW) degree, and a B.A. Any suggestions for dealing w/ people who refuse to respect clearly stated boundaries around these issues? Im also really careful not to ask my daughter for her preferences unless I really plan on taking them into consideration. I grew up thinking Im socially odd and terrible at body language, but it turns out Im just odd. If you try TWICE to schedule something with someone you dont know very well. It can sometimes be tricky if youre coupled up and everyone else is single (Ive been on both ends of that). Its up to the visitor to remain mindful of the length of their visit (and the potential impact on others) so as not to overstay their welcome. So, my mother has started beseechingly claiming that she doesnt care about mess in my apartment. Or even worse try to get me to bring their kids along with my family on our vacations. A few people have said that they miss when you could just drop by someones house, but it seems like there was a general understanding about the time limit of those visits. Even if I want to do that thing, I resent the implication that friend doesnt care to consider whether I want to or not. I am personally saving the galaxy from assimilation because I will never solve it. I briefly tried to date this guy who would tell me his plans for the day that was half the time an invitation and half the time not. Most times its a yeah or no but well be home in an hour, go on and let yourself in. If a loose, friendly group regularly go out for lunch at work, or meet for drinks afterward, it's probably alright to come along one day. Ill text you early next week and we can set something up., Them: I never get to see you. Your visit will not be successful even if you dont mind the mess, because the person who owns the mess will be able to think about nothing else. That it would never occur to me to perceive that others regard me as less-than for possibly benefiting from their input may also help. I wish I had pulled back way way in the beginning but I craved the friendship and closeness. Like I dot userstand it. I would add one small nugget. This tactic has become so commonplace that many police departments counsel residents to always answer the door via intercom or by asking what the visitor wants (while keeping the door closed). It hurts so much, LW, and Im so sorry this is happening to you. I sent out the wedding invitations to all my friends. Also works for anything else youve been asked to schedule in advance. I have physical pain on a not-infrequent basis. Im in the neighborhood. This will never be the kind of spotless home where I trill oooh, Im sorry its such a mess! as I blow imaginary dust off very expensive knickknacks. Nobody dropped by after about 8pm without prior arrangement because the children were in bed there were rules. Oh Lord, yes! It has never ended well for me. (For myself, its exhausting and I dislike the constant stream of people; but I try to be friendly and pleasant, and dream of days when shes moved out or Ive moved somewhere more secluded. Which goes to show how very individual the boundaries are. In desperation, I basically self-diagnosed as autistic and followed the advice I found on the Internet I just started to straight-up name what I saw and ask about it. ), ps. Seriously. I have a friend who does this. Sometimes we had a great time, or got to catch up quickly when both of us had been busy. Maybe I'll drop by later. Tell her, politely and kindly as you would for anyone else, that she wasnt actually invited to the event. Do not copy, print, or repost entire posts elsewhere without written permission. If anyone pulled up a trailer around back, they hid it well. Take care of yourself, okay? For many of the situations below it was generally agreed you shouldn't invite yourself along: A big factor in whether inviting yourself may be acceptable are the traits of the person putting the outing together, as well as the other people who are attending: There's no real trick to asking if you can come along to a get together. If not, the guide on how to ask a guy out on a third date would be a perfect read. The whole work-home thing is pretty cultural though. My current circle has enough meetups coordinated through non-Facebook means that I dont mind missing the occasional Facebook-only one, but when I lived in a different city with a different social circle I actually picked one person I was closer to and asked her to be my Facebook mole If you see a whole-group invitation go out via Facebook, could you email me about it? The lounge would be where the family relaxed; the reception room is where you would receive visitors. So they test, and test some more, hoping for signs of anything that might confirm that a connection still exists. I dont tend to have long Facebook/text/IM chats with people, I use those things mostly to send direct invitations when Im making plans. Sometimes even if inviting yourself to something isn't technically the slickest way to end up at the event, it's still worth it to you to go. People who know me know Im a call or text ahead person. For example if Bob Alice Camille Davy et al all know that Bob and Gerry are going on their honeymoon starting on Friday, I will feel fine talking about the picnic on Saturday. [4] "You're all talk. I think showing her that you are aware of and respectful of her need for space will conversely whet her desire to spend more time with you. I did nonetheless feel foolish I hadnt thought to use it! You are getting the chills and feel like you want to go home with him. From the angle Im looking, her best friend is trying to decrease the closeness or frequency of interactions in this relationship, and the LW hasnt quite gotten that message yet. Regardless, Im wondering how big a transgression this is- another blog said that inviting your self over to someones home is viewed as rude and presumptuous and should only be done seldom with a very, very close friend. In the rare event that Im having chill-out time, thats because Im desperately in need of doing nothing / reading / watching Dr Who with my kids, and the last thing in the world I want is to have to interact with another person. I grew up in a small town where unexpected visits were totally normal. They're really wondering, "Do these people like me and want me around?" We were working adults with careers, although not particularly demanding ones. Even if you're turned down, the hosts will appreciate the gesture. Gotta install the air conditioners and figure out how to assemble that Ikea desk., Yellow Light. Or if I say, to, in a completely made-up situation, to my dads sweet elderly Midwestern cousin, Oh sure come over for lunch the next time you have to be in town to go to the VA. Oh. I love playing host, its true, but I use that phrase consciouslyplaying host. Its a role that I choose to put on, and it is not one that I would expect (or want!) I then, with friends who I had invited, discussed details of the plans and ideas and asked for opinions. (closes door, puts in earplugs to block out resulting temper tantrum, goes back to bed) I just recently reconnected with a friends who I lost touch with because of our different expectations. HOWEVER. I thought I was so bad at reading people, but it turns out that Im completely average. The Captain mentioned the Ask vs. I used to live in a basement apartment. +1 to this. (Hell, even the Geek Social Fallacies mention that work is a common class that people are allowed to prioritize in time and attention above friendship. Although Ive occasionally had friends who would text me while standing on my doorstep, which, interestingly, is worse than either showing up unannounced or texting ahead of time. Maybe by unpacking this for you we can make a lot of people feel more comfortable and less anxious about this. The big takeaway from this post is that a lot of preferences are situational and individual. We should still be friends!. Before you ask, think about your personal or business privacy concerns. not to say you should construct an elaborate web of lies, just dont go on and on about it. Regardless your friend is letting you know shes not cool with it, which means you need to stop doing it to her specifically. When I really wanted to connect with someone, I used to read the soft no as a problem that I could solve, like, Oh, thats not a problem, I can come to you instead! I will deliver the free comic books to your house, along with ice cream, and that random vacuum cleaner part you once mentioned in passing that you needed! I looked at the reason for the refusal and ignored that it was a refusal.. Its just no longer prudent to do so, unfortunately. I am having a problem with it at the moment though. Here is how I think of this in my brain, if I am making plans I am always attempting to make plans to 1. They would invite you if they wanted! I dont care how close we are. I only have to clean ME, I do not need to scour my house for stray articles of clothing and actually go through the three piles of mail on my dining room table. We told each other everything. Im the same way. Frequently saying no is going to cause problems with even the most dedicated Asker, so the prudent course is to say it strongly once, even if the idea of occasionally saying yes isnt awful. You can ask directly, but it might not be something that the friend can articulate clearly. I have pretty much had it. 1. OH GOD ME TOO. Goodbye, next time call a day or two in advance and we can schedule something.. You'll make your life much simpler. Here are some of my favorite ways to invite myself. I can see the conflict between desires, but it seems like it might be easier or at least less violating for people who want unexpected visitors to encourage them to drop by whenever than for people who dislike it to tell people to go away. And to the subject of unexpected visits. We dont have enough information to know whether this was appropriate in the context of the relationship. Even worse, for me, than people who show up at my door without warning and expect to be let in are people who show up my door without warning and expect me to come out. True, it is rude to ask about money with new acquaintances, but this someone who had in the past gone over every detail of her budget with me and to whom Id loaned money and given money to so she could visit. 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